Fourth Business Meeting
57th General Conference Session, July
2, 2000, 9:30 a.m.
SHARON CRESS: Good morning, and welcome to this first business
session of the new week. Elder Philip S. Follett, general vice president of
the General Conference, will be chairing our session; Harold Baptiste, the secretary
of the North American Division, will be the secretary for the session; Walter
Carson, from the Office of General Counsel, will be the parliamentarian; and
the recording secretary is Carol Rasmussen. Ruth Wittwer, from the Euro-Africa
Division, will be giving our invocation, and then Bert Beach and John Graz,
from the Public Affairs and Religious Liberty Department, will be introducing
Ambassador Bien Tejano. Hezekiel Mafu, from the Eastern Africa Division, will
be giving our benediction.
RUTH WITTWER: [Prayed in German.]
JOHN GRAZ: Brothers and sisters, distinguished guests, dear
friends, we have the privilege of welcoming His Excellency Bien Tejano, ambassador
from the Philippine Islands to Papua New Guinea. Ambassador Tejano is an ordained
Seventh-day Adventist pastor. How can a Seventh-day Adventist pastor become
an ambassador? I asked him this question, and he answered, “Work for the poorest
of the poor, and you meet the top leaders.” Before becoming ambassador, Pastor
Tejano worked with prisoners in the Philippines who have addictions. His ministry
attracted the interest of the prison authorities of his country. Last week Ambassador
Tejano received a high award from the president of the Philippines for rescuing
440 Philippine citizens in the Solomon Islands.
BIEN TEJANO: Thank you very much. I would like to thank
the General Conference for inviting me here. I am so blessed to witness this
session. Unfortunately, I have to cut short my attendance here. A few weeks
ago I received instructions from my president to go back immediately to the
Solomon Islands and continue the rescue missions. In our conversation I told
him about the meetings that are going on right here. He asked me to convey to
you his heartfelt greetings to all the Seventh-day Adventists in the whole world.
I shall be going back tomorrow. I would like to request your prayers. I shall
also meet our church members in that island and continue to encourage them to
hold on, because we are almost home. Thank you very much.
JOHN GRAZ: Pastor Tejano, we thank you so much for what
you have just said and for what you are doing. We wish you could have had the
time to tell us about all you are doing in the Solomon Islands for the cause
of Christ and the protection of humanity, but we are delighted that you are
lifting up Christ, your nation, and your church. We have a little gift that
will remind you of this meeting.
BIEN TEJANO: Thank you very much.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: I would like to call to order our business
session for this Sunday morning. I hope you brought your agenda booklets with
you. I would like our secretary to lead us into the first item, please.
HAROLD W. BAPTISTE: Brother Chairman, this agenda item has
to do with the Health and Temperance Department name change. The recommendation
reads as follows: “Recommended, To change the name of the Health and Temperance
Department to the Health Ministries Department.” Brother Chairman, I move the
recommendation. [The motion was seconded.]
NEAL C. WILSON: Brother Chairman, I think a little further
explanation ought to be given to this assembly of leaders on this particular
item. It is almost like pulling down the flag. Seventh-day Adventists have been
known worldwide for their strong emphasis on temperance. The word “temperance”
is not an easy word to translate into some other languages. In fact, in the
world we live in today, “temperance” may not be a highly accepted word. My concern
is that we do not ever become ashamed to speak about the matter of temperance,
including alcohol, tobacco, and drug dependency. In fact, temperance is needed
more in the world today than it has ever been needed. And let me tell you, it
is needed in the Seventh-day Adventist Church. My concern is, Brother Chairman,
that we are not lowering the flag, diluting the emphasis that we are going to
be giving. Many health experts today never think about temperance as we think
about it, and they may feel that we have just now melted into the atmosphere
of the world, which is a little more acceptable. I would simply like to have
some statement made to this group that in spite of the change of the name there
will be no deemphasis—in fact, it may increase our emphasis. I understand the
background of it, but many will sort of feel that we have lost one of those
great characteristics that identified us worldwide these many years. That is
my appeal, Brother Chairman.
ALLAN R. HANDYSIDES: I am very appreciative of the words
that we heard from Elder Neal Wilson. I think the history of the Health and
Temperance Department is one of which we can all be proud, especially when we
think of the work that has been done throughout the world in the name of temperance.
I think we can be very proud of that history. Sometimes words do change in meaning.
There is a very prominent Adventist family who changed their name because of
the change in meanings given to their name. The work of the Adventist Health
Ministry Department is to minister to the whole person, and we cannot minister
to the whole person, especially in the presence of the enormous deluge of substance
abuse that we see. The very fabric of society is being torn apart by alcoholism
and drug dependency. I would like to see our department give redoubled effort
to work against the abusive substances that are so prevalent in society. Friends,
we need to establish national branches of the International Commission for the
Prevention of Alcoholism, so that we can generate enthusiasm in the churches.
My plea is that the nations here represented take upon themselves the burden
of working together with us so we can make Health and Temperance our focus.
I am pleased that we have the word “ministry” in our name change. It is unfortunate
that the world is using and has usurped the use of the word “temperance.” To
the world it does not mean what it means to us. We mean “abstinence,” and I
pray that that message is taught to our young people in ever-strengthening tones.
I would give you the pledge that those of us who are promoting health want to
see ourselves as ministers to the needs of the world and to the church.
KATHLEEN KUNTARAF: I just want to assure Elder Wilson that
even if the name is changed from Health and Temperance Department to Health
Ministries Depart-ment, we will continue to work together with other departments
in promoting temperance work around the world.
THOMAS S. NESLUND: Many of us have been involved in health
and temperance work for a long time. Nearly 30 years of my life have been spent
in this type of activity. Since the merger of the Health and Temperance Department
at the General Conference it has been a cumbersome effort to make the two united
and work together. There have been strides made, obviously. But I think by this
name change we have finally found a home for temperance. At least now we have
something not as an add-on but as a part of a ministry that is a part of the
church. The world—specifically, the alcohol industry—has stolen a march on us
in terms of the moderation concept. As I travel worldwide for the ICPA as their
executive director I find that the word “abstinence” works much better than
the word “temperance.” And from that I can talk about self-control, which is
really one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
So, Mr. Chairman, I strongly recommend that we find a home
for this component. It has been wandering around like a child without a place
to settle. I move the action before us.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: Thank you. There is a motion and second,
and the action is on the floor. The chair recognizes Dr. Albert Whiting, a former
health and temperance director.
ALBERT WHITING: I fully support this action. I’d like to
give a little background to it. We had a meeting several years ago of all division
health and temperance directors, and all except one voted in favor of this change,
realizing that it was needed because the word “temperance” is translated all
over the world as “moderation.” This church does not accept moderation when
it comes to drugs and alcohol. The word “ministry” implies organization. It
implies service and is very appropriate. I plead for you to support this recommendation.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: Thank you very much, Dr. Whiting. I believe
I see no one else standing to speak, and so we will place the issue on the floor.
[The motion was moved, seconded, and voted.] Harold Baptiste, would you introduce
the next item?
HAROLD W. BAPTISTE: The next item, Brother Chairman, is
a resolution on the gift of prophecy. Do you want me to read the entire document,
Brother Chairman?
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: Would you like the document read? It
may be well to do so.
HAROLD W. BAPTISTE: [Read the resolution.] Brother Chairman,
I move the recommendation.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: Thank you. Is there a second? I hear
a second. [Motion was made and seconded.]
JURRIEN DEN HOLLANDER: Brother Chairman, I have a question
that I would very much like to have clarified. Is there any similar resolution
coming before us dealing with the Bible? Could you please clarify this for me?
[The chair consulted with Harold Baptiste.]
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: I believe the answer is no.
JURRIEN DEN HOLLANDER: I am just asking advice from you
concerning a motion that deals with the Bible in a similar manner.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: I would imagine that this body, after
discussing this particular motion, could refer to the Plans Committee a recommendation
that such a motion be prepared. We couldn’t write it on the floor very well,
but we have set up a Plans Committee to which we may refer recommendations for
preparing new resolutions.
VIOLETO F. BOCALA: I am very happy, Mr. Chairman, that we
have this recommendation on hand. I think we need to give more emphasis to the
Spirit of Prophecy. Our people sometimes forget that the church is guided by
the writings of the Spirit of Prophecy, without which I think we will likely
fragment. In the Southern Asia-Pacific Division we have just taken an action
that for the next five years we will promote Sprit of Prophecy reading just
as we do Bible reading, promoting a different book of the Conflict of the Ages
Series each year.
KENNETH H. WOOD: Kenneth Wood, chairman of the E. G. White
Estate board. Mr. Chairman, believe it or not, my first General Conference session
was in 1927. I wasn’t voting at that time, but I understood from the very beginning
that this church had its origins in Bible study. That has never been under question.
I see this recommendation here as recognizing the uniqueness of Seventh-day
Adventism, which has been built on the Bible. I feel that this resolution is
very important because we have seen in recent times that the devil is making
unusual efforts to undermine confidence in what the Lord says to us in these
latter times. Ten years ago I began working with computers, and today when I
turn my computer on and access the Internet I am appalled at the Web sites that
are attacking this church and the Spirit of Prophecy. Now, as this recommendation
comes to us, the real question is not whether we agree with what it says, but
rather if we vote it what we will do about it. I find that many recommendations
get lost at the General Conference. I wonder whether we will do everything we
can to support all divisions in their efforts and give them the tools to make
the Spirit of Prophecy more effective.
MELVIN LOPEZ: I am from the Southern Asia-Pacific Division.
I would like to urge the number for recommendation to all church administrators,
including those in education and health-care institutions, to give careful heed
to the wise counsel given to Seventh-day Adventists through the writings of
Ellen G White concerning the health message.
JUAN CARLOS VIERA: This particular item is referring to
such institutions as colleges, universities, hospitals, and clinics. We are
urging them to heed the counsel from Ellen White. I think the church as a whole
knows quite well the counsels from Ellen White, but we are concerned in this
particular item that our institutions follow the counsel from the inspired pen.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: Thank you, and I believe that as this
resolution was being prepared it was requested that it be broken into two parts—the
first a statement of our convictions, and the second that we include ways to
make these writings more available in practical steps. The intention of the
action is that it be followed up and not, as Elder Wood said, lost in a pile
of shuffled papers. I believe, brother, that your own division is taking some
steps toward this, and the counsel of this body is that each division find ways
of accomplishing this in their own field.
BERT HALOVIAK: I am not proposing an amendment, Brother
Chairman, but I would suggest that while the “Gift of Prophecy” or the “Spirit
of Prophecy” has been used quite a bit, that we perhaps add “Through Ellen White,”
because we do have the gift of prophecy through the Scriptures. We are not talking
about the Scriptures at this point, but at least it would clarify the assumption
that we seem to be making that the gift of prophecy always pertain to Ellen
White.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: Maybe you need to make a motion so we
can consider it.
BERT HALOVIAK: I feel strongly enough on it, Brother Chairman,
that I would suggest amending the title to “Resolution on the Gift of Prophecy
Through the Ministry of Ellen White.” [The motion was made, seconded, and voted.]
JOHN R. JOSIAH: Mr. Chairman, I started to register my support
of this resolution with the hope that it will bring to an end, or almost to
an end, what I consider to be the use of Ellen White as an ecclesiastical football,
as it were. Over the years we have been wrestling with how Ellen White ought
to be perceived in the church. She spoke of her writings as the lesser light
leading us to the greater light. Some of us perhaps cannot properly appreciate
the difference she puts there.
My concern is that something be done from the level of the
General Conference so that this resolution will not spawn a problem with academia.
Others will still be free to propound the idea that Ellen White is not a theologian
and that therefore the Bible and the Bible only must be emphasized. That is
my concern.
KIT WATTS: I speak in favor of the motion. And I also want
to thank the Ellen G. White Estate for the steps that have been taken to make
Ellen White more accessible to young people, particularly those who speak English,
and to make the devotional book this year with inclusive language so that it
is not just the young men of the church who feel called of God, but young women
as well. I encourage the White Estate to continue this effort and make a difference.
We’re to the point where the language of 150 years ago in English is not sufficient
for young people today.
GILBERT CANGY: I speak in support of the resolution; however,
I wonder whether it will be useful. As I look in my field and realize that there
is a certain degree of confusion regarding the position of the writings of Ellen
White, I wonder, in terms of helping the process here, whether we could add
something to the effect of an educational process whereby this could be clarified.
The nature of the writings of Ellen White versus the Scripture. And maybe something
to the effect of contextualizing the counsels of Ellen White. I think that would
strengthen the resolution here.
JAMES NXUMALO: I am for the resolution, but in addition
I want to say that the idea that we should be doing something about the critics
of Ellen G. White is a very important issue. I have learned that this issue
touches young people. I am talking here about my family, for example. My son
told me that his wife had expressed the view that critics of Ellen G. White
on the Internet tend to pose a threat, especially to young people of the church.
And my view is that we perhaps need to make a deliberate attempt to counter
these critics.
JOHN M. FOWLER: Mr. Chairman, I rise to support the motion.
We have gathered here at a very crucial time in the history of our church, and
we have already celebrated in many ways the remarkable growth the church has
registered worldwide. And we all give thanks to the Lord for leading the church
to this point. However, as we seem to grow in many areas, I also sense an increasing
lethargy, an indifference when it comes to the counsels given by the Spirit
of Prophecy. In fact, it has become fashionable in some circles, particularly
in some aca-demic circles, to consider the use of Ellen G. White’s writings
as intellectually embarrassing. This is a very sad situation. If we are to preserve
the unity of this church, the worldwide thrust of its mission, and the vision
that God has given to our pioneers to take the gospel to the entire world and
hasten the coming of the Lord, we need to have an increasing focus on the use
of the counsels of the Spirit of Prophecy both in our individual lives and in
the community life of our church, so that every church hears the same trumpet
sound. It is true, and we must not forget, that we stand rooted in the Word
of God; but it is also true that the lesser light is no less important. And
so I support, and I trust that this body will overwhelmingly vote, this motion.
JAMES ZACKRISON: I rise to support the motion, Mr. Chairman,
and to take this opportunity to assure the representatives of the world church
that in the development of the Sabbath school curriculum materials in every
age group and the Sabbath school program in general, they can rest assured that
we are dedicated followers of the writings of the Spirit of Prophecy and that
while they may not find statements from Ellen White on every page, the material
developed to be studied in our churches around the world reflect what the Seventh-day
Adventist Church believes regarding the Spirit of Prophecy. So when you study
your Sabbath school lesson on Sabbath morning, please rest assured that it has
been carefully worked through and studied in the light of what we understand
in the Spirit of Prophecy.
MANIRA ALEJANDRA FERNANDEZ NAZAR: I want to support what
is being said on the floor and the importance of the Spirit of Prophecy for
this church. I would like to move that as we take this important point into
account, we can also include the importance of reading the Bible. As a Sabbath
school director, I recognize that my members are not really reading the Bible
as they should. I suggest to this conference that we include a clause in which
emphasis will be placed on Bible reading.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: Thank you very much. After this action
has been voted, we have invited one of the brothers to place a motion on the
floor to move toward what you are suggesting.
MANUEL TORNILLA, JR.: I am in favor of the resolution, with
the inclusion that we emphasize that primarily the Bible will be the basis of
our faith. However, I hope that the General Conference or the Ellen G. White
Estate will address this matter after we have taken action on the motion. My
concern is with the information on the Internet that downgrades or attacks the
writings of Mrs. White. One evening when I was in my study, my oldest son was
surfing his computer, and in a few minutes he brought me a document attacking
point by point the teachings or writings of Mrs. White. I scanned the document.
After I scanned it I kept it, so that it would not get into the wrong hands.
So my concern is that after we have taken the resolution, what can the White
Estate do to address such Internet attacks on the writings of Mrs. White?
ENOCH DARE: I fully support the recommendation. For those
of us who live in parts of the world in which we have lost our educational institutions,
one can only support the present recommendation, because our young people have
lost the privilege of access to the books of Ellen G. White in their studies.
And I as a youth leader and an educationist from my division feel very concerned
about how we can really encourage our young people to get involved in understanding
the principles in the writings of Ellen White.
JOSHUA OYINLOYE: I am here to plead with our leaders to
make these books cheaper. In Nigeria, as a result of the Global Mission program
thousands of people are brought into the church daily. And they don’t know our
stand regarding the Spirit of Prophecy. Cheaper books would help us in implementing
this resolution.
CARMEN SCHULZ: I would like to ask if a similar resolution
already exists.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: Yes, for the past 100 years actions have
been taken at General Conference sessions regarding this; however, the wording
this time is a little different.
CARMEN SCHULZ: I do not support the motion as it is presented
to us, because I come from a country in which I have been educated to fear God
as presented to us by Martin Luther—a view of God that is built on freedom of
thought. I am against this kind of pressure that I feel put on me by this resolution
and put on churches in my country. I am not against the Spirit of Prophecy,
but I am not sure that Ellen G. White herself would have wanted this kind of
pressure.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: All right; we appreciate your comments.
We have a speaker at microphone 1. I believe you have a question of privilege;
is that what you wish?
ROBERT J. KLOOSTERHUIS: Yes, I have the impression that
almost everyone has heard quite a wide variety of observations, and we are ready
to vote. Therefore, Brother Chairman, I would like to move the previous question.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: This motion requires a two thirds favorable
vote. The motion now is to stop debate. [Motion was seconded and voted.] We
now take the vote on the original motion that was read earlier by our secretary.
[Motion was voted.] Thank you very much. We had promised an earlier speaker
a chance to bring a motion from the floor. Please present your motion now.
JURRIEN DEN HOLLANDER: I would like to make a similar motion
concerning the Bible. The reason for this motion is that we as Adventists intend
to be very biblical. We support our existence from the Bible. We hold very purely
Jesus Christ as proclaimed in the Bible. We even have a prophet that in every
way says that she is the lesser light pointing toward the greater light, which
is the Bible. The Bible is the core of our existence as Adventists. Therefore,
I would like to move that the same resolution that has just been moved be stated
about the Bible. [It was moved and seconded.]
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: As I explained earlier, our instructions
on the opening night were that those items that come to the floor that have
not been prepared and written and studied in advance be referred to the Plans
Committee. If you will allow us to adjust the motion in that way, we will invite
you to prepare a proposal and bring it to the Plans Committee. [It was voted.]
[A summary explanation of item 207 as voted
by the 1995 General Conference session was provided.]
ATHAL H. TOLHURST: Item 208 is an amendment that suggests
that there be elected at a future General Conference session an auditing board
composed of 17 members instead of 15, approximately two thirds of whom must
be nondenominationally employed in professions that were listed five years ago
and who represent the world field. This recommendation provides for the chairman
of the board to be the General Conference president. It also provides, Brother
Chairman, that one of the responsibilities of the General Conference Auditing
Service board would be to recommend to the General Conference, each regular
session Nominating Committee, the name of an individual to serve as director
of the General Conference Auditing Service. It also recommends that a quorum
for the General Conference Auditing Service board be 11 members.
The second recommendation that is associated with that is
to approve a General Conference Auditing Service board, with terms of reference
and membership. You have before you the terms of reference, which I shall not
choose to read at this point, Brother Chairman.
Then on line 16 of page 46, you have the suggested membership—that
the General Conference president be chair; a General Conference vice president
be vice chair; the director of the General Conference Auditing Service be secretary.
The members include the General Conference secretary, the General Conference
treasurer, and qualified Seventh-day Adventist auditors or other knowledgeable
professionals in related fields who are not in denominational employment—one
in each world division. That is a total of 12.
And the terms of reference recommend that the associate
directors of the Auditing Service be recommended to the Nominating Committee
of the General Conference session by the divisions. Since that has not been
done in time for this session, the final recommendation was to request the 2000
Annual Council to have this session recommend or request the 2000 Annual Council
of the General Conference Committee to elect members of the General Conference
Auditing Service board other than ex officio—in other words, to elect the 12
that will be recommended from the division. [It was moved and seconded.]
BRIAN BULL: My concern is that in going from 15 to 17 you
end up with a number for which two thirds can be either five or six. Also, I
think it is unwise to have the General Conference president as the chair of
the Auditing Service board. As a consequence I would move to refer this back
to the Constitution and Bylaws Committee for further consideration. [The motion
was seconded.]
KENNETH J. MITTLEIDER: I want to say that we have always
declared the Auditing Service as independent of the church. The way this is
recommended reads here I question that it would be an independent audit. Therefore,
I am much in favor that this be referred back.
ISRAEL LEITO: I stand to speak against the motion to refer,
because I believe we should debate this here and finish with it. If I understand
the former speakers correctly, the premise on which they base the referral is
that this board of the General Conference Auditing Service will be reporting
to the persons whom they audit, and that’s wrong. The General Conference Auditing
Service does not audit the General Conference. This is a good recommendation,
and we should stick with it, and I am against referring it back to the committee.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: Thank you, Elder Leito. I think the earlier
discussion indicated that “two thirds” is not as clear as might be, and even
on that one issue it would have to be referred back, but there are other issues
you want to talk about, and if you choose to refer, those who have concerns
will be able to meet with the Constitution and Bylaws Committee.
ERIC KORFF: Just a point of clarification, Brother Chairman.
Is it only the composition of the board that is being referred back, or this
entire section?
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: The entire document is being referred
back.
ERIC KORFF: Including the election or the appointment of
the associates?
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: The entire document. Thank you. Our parliamentarian
notes that when we refer a document, we must refer the entire document, and
anyone who has concerns about any issue in the document is welcome to meet with
the Constitution and Bylaws Committee. The other alternative is to vote down
the motion to refer and then discuss it further here, but a motion to refer
must be voted on before we continue discussing the main body of the motion.
[The motion to refer was voted.]
HAROLD W. BAPTISTE: Brother Chairman, I think we go to the
Church Manual agenda now.
LOWELL COOPER: Brother Chairman, if you would allow an introductory
statement about the Church Manual items, then we can proceed with the
individual items after that. The Seventh-day Adventist Church Manual
is one of the instruments that we have used in the church to express our worldwide
oneness. It is for that reason that every General Conference session has items
on the agenda concerning the Church Manual. We have a long list of them
at this time. Many of the items are recommendations for amendments that clarify
terminology or help make the meaning of a passage a little clearer or perhaps
reorganize the order of the presentation of material. The only place, the only
time, we can make changes to a Church Manual is at a General Conference
session, and so we have all kinds of changes coming before this body during
this week. I suppose that we need to view the Church Manual something
like a baptismal robe. It is made to fit everybody, and therefore, in any one
particular situation it may not seem to fit very comfortably, but it is one
of the instruments by which we affirm and express our worldwide oneness. We
do want to point out that all of the items that come here for deliberation by
the session have come by way of Annual Council recommendation. We have, Brother
Chairman, organized these items basically in a sequential pattern, as they might
appear if one were reading the Church Manual. This is not particularly
the order in which we would like to deal with them, since some of the items
on the first page relate to substantive issues that we will deal with later
on in the agenda.
[A series of actions that were editorial changes followed.
Their content can be found in the minutes.]
MARIO VELOSO: We now have a recommendation to add a new
chapter in the Church Manual entitled “Church Manual Authority.”
This defines the authority that we have all accepted in the past but that was
not written in the manual.
HAROLD W. BAPTISTE: This new chapter reads as follows: “The
content of the Church Manual, based on biblical principles, is the expression
of the Seventh-day Adventist Church’s understanding of Christian life and church
governance and discipline. It expresses the authority of a duly assembled General
Conference session. ‘God has ordained that the representatives of His church
from all parts of the earth, when assembled in a General Conference, shall have
authority.’—Testimonies, vol. 9, p. 261. This covenanted authority of the Church
Manual makes its content binding for every local church/company and every level
of its organization throughout the world.” I move it, Brother Chairman.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: Is there a second? There is a motion
and a second. I will wait a moment to see if anyone comes to the microphone.
LESLIE POLLARD: Brother Chairman, just in terms of clarification.
What happens when a church does not honor the fact that we are now codifying
the official authority of the Church Manual? What is the consequence, then,
for departure from this action?
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: Elder Cooper, would you like to address
that? I don’t know that it is addressed in the manual.
LOWELL COOPER: Brother Chairman, the issue of the discipline
of a church becomes a matter for the constituency to which it belongs. I think
that is perhaps the shortest answer we can give you.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: That certainly is true, and the manual
does describe how a conference can exercise authority within the sisterhood
of churches that form that conference. The authority comes from the conference
to that individual church. Does that answer your question?
LESLIE POLLARD: I suppose it begins to. Obviously we do
not have anything that specifies what happens when a departure occurs. It also
illustrates the seriousness of the action we are considering.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: I believe there is a provision that if
a church is not in harmony with the denomination, the conference in session
has the authority to disband that church.
DAN JACKSON: As I have read through the material presented
by the Church Manual Committee to this session there is one thing that
concerns me increasingly as I read the information. While I am in favor of the
majority of the information presented in this document, the use of terms that
make the manual’s content binding upon every local congregation, etc., concerns
me. This church has always stood in opposition to the idea of congregationalism.
I believe that in making the contents of the Church Manual binding on every
congregation we may inadvertently be promoting congregationalism. While I am
not in favor of congregationalism, I believe we need to acknowledge that local
congregations, guided by the Holy Spirit, have the ability to make decisions
and in various ways differ. So even though voting against the motion is like
voting against apple pie and ice cream, I have to say that I am in opposition
to the motion on the basis that it does not reflect the ability of the local
congregation to exercise discretion. Thank you.
ANDRE VAN RENSBURG: I am in favor of the intent of this
motion. But I believe that there is something that we need to clarify. When
we speak about authority, we must be very careful what we actually put into
place.
GERHARD PFANDL: I am from the Biblical Research Institute.
Brother Chairman, the first line reads “the content of the Church Manual,
based on biblical principles.” There is not a single text in this whole paragraph.
I believe it will be helpful to have an introductory paragraph or first paragraph
outlining the biblical principles of church authority. And then the line in
question would read “the content of the Church Manual, based on these biblical
principles, is the expression of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.” Second,
on line 19 the last sentence begins “this covenanted authority of the Church
Manual.” Most members will have only a hazy understanding of what covenanted
authority means, and certainly the world field will have difficulty translating
this into the various languages unless we clearly spell out what we mean by
covenanted authority.
LEX NELSON: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am from the South
Pacific Division. I’d like to speak against this motion. I have a problem with
us now voting on a binding motion that does not allow some level of flexibility
if we also accept some of those future motions to be voted in the next few days.
So, Mr. Chairman, I wonder how we should handle this, whether we should defeat
this motion and leave it more open, or in some way allow this to proceed and
allow a little more flexibility in how we handle some of the more detailed issues
to be debated in the next few days.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: At the moment I would have to say this
motion does need to be defeated. Thank you so much. Elder Cooper, did you want
to comment about the detailed items?
LOWELL COOPER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Included in this
set of agenda items will be a proposal concerning the reformatting of certain
chapters of the Church Manual, particularly those chapters that deal
with the most precise detail of local church procedure. It is the intent of
the recommendation concerning reformatting that there be a little room for flexibility
in a number of the local church procedures. And I’m not sure that this is the
time that we should debate, Mr. Chairman, but it does perhaps address the comments
raised by the previous speaker about the ability of a local church to be faithful
to the Church Manual and at the same time have some degree of room to
address its particular size or membership configuration. We think that the proposal
that will be coming to us does provide for that.
WOLFGANG MEYER: My understanding is that the biblical principles
are binding for us, and not the wording of the Church Manual. If all
regulations are to be binding, we would have many difficulties. We live in different
systems of law in this world. If the Church Manual wording were to be
made binding, we could not abide by certain German laws. Therefore I am against
this recommendation.
RICK REMMERS: I certainly stand in the support of this proposal,
and I’m concerned that even were it to pass here on this floor, a number of
the concerns that are expressed would leave us with a Church Manual that
would create frustration in a number of congregations. I would move that we
refer this recommendation back to the Church Manual Committee to give
consideration to the biblical principles that were mentioned earlier, as well
as making the content binding to every local congregation. I would move that
we refer this back.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: All right, that is a motion for referral
to the Church Manual Committee. Is there a second? It’s been seconded.
The debate now should be on referral, not on the content. Our brother here has
spoken on the motion; do you want to speak on referral?
ONAOLAPO AJIBADE: I feel that we should debate it right
here. Now, it has rightly been said that one of the instruments of unity in
our church is the Church Manual, and if the provisions of the Church Manual
are not binding on churches in the world, then that spells disunity. The
only way we can have unity is to continue to have a Church Manual with
provisions that are binding on all congregations all over the world. Thank you.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: I understand that you are not in favor
of referring the motion.
JOHN M. FOWLER: Mr. Chairman, I speak in favor of referring
this motion back to the Church Manual Committee. While the intent of
this resolution is understandable and is good, there are certain phrases and
words that are being referred that have meanings and implications that will
make discipline and church organization and implementation of those principles
difficult.
HAROLD PETERS: Mr. Chairman, I believe that it would be
appropriate to refer this back for an examination of some of the wording.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: All those in favor of referral, please
raise your voting cards. [Motion to refer was voted.] We will ask Elder Cooper
to tell when and where and how you can meet with his committee. And we certainly
encourage you to come before that committee and express your concerns there
so that they have the benefit of your statements. [The next two items, 408 and
409, concerned minor changes in the Church Manual and were moved, seconded,
and voted.] Let us now look at agenda item 410, entitled “Membership on a Spiritual
Basis.”
HAROLD W. BAPTISTE: I read the suggested change as follows:
“While there is no stated minimum age for baptism, it is recommended that children
who express a desire to be baptized should be recognized and encouraged by including
them in Bible study classes which may lead to baptism, when appropriate.” I
move it, Brother Chairman.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: Is there a second? Moved and seconded.
That certainly sounds reasonable.
SAMUEL KORANTENG-PIPIM: Mr. Chairman, can you clarify why
there is a need to include this section for the baptism of children who so desire?
There is a clear statement on the procedure for those who desire baptism. They
need to be instructed before baptism. This proposal, it seems to me, would open
the door for those who for whatever reason would like to baptize children. I
need some clarification before we can vote on this issue.
MELVIN LOPEZ: The practice of baptism of children would
require attendance in Bible study classes. Sometimes small children are baptized
because they are children of ministers, or are born of Adventist parents. Now
with this provision that they should be included in study classes, it will be
compulsory to have a certificate even for children of ministers or who were
born Adventist.
VIRGINIA SMITH: It frequently happens that in evangelistic
meetings or other settings, when a minister calls for those who would like to
give their life to Jesus and be baptized, we have little children who may be
as young as 5 or 6 who are listening. They say “Yes, I love Jesus; I want to
give my life to Him” and they come forward to request baptism. There has been
a tendency for us to pat them on the head and say “You come back later; you
are too young now.” We have discouraged many people by not recognizing that
they are old enough to understand what is happening. They are making a personal
commitment to Jesus. And so the recommendation here is that we not turn them
away, but that we have Bible classes that they can attend on a regular basis,
so that they feel that the church is approving and supporting them. And then
in every part of the world, whatever is an acceptable age for baptism can then
be applied in their case. In the meantime they are studying toward that fulfillment,
and then when an appropriate age has been reached, they can be baptized.
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: Thank you. I believe that the intent
is that they should study and prepare and not be overlooked.
VIRGINIA SMITH: I think that currently our baptismal classes
generally run for maybe three months. What we are recommending here is that
we need ongoing opportunities for children to be learning God’s Word. We are
not asking for a certificate. We want the children to grow in their spiritual
experience and at the same time feel good that the church is affirming them
in their desire for baptism. We are not suggesting baptizing them earlier or
younger than the local authorities believe that they should be baptized. So
we are not talking just about three months, but an ongoing Bible class that
happens more or less once a week through the years. Children can come and go
in that class until they reach the appropriate age for baptism.
COLLIN LYONS: I understand pretty clearly what we are trying
to do. I would just like to point out one danger that I am seeing in the word
“minimum.” If there is no stated minimum age, the proposal could result in children
being baptized at the age of 2 or 3.
[There was considerable discussion regarding the word “minimum”
that resulted in an amendment by Calvin Rock that was approved. The original
motion as amended was voted and is found in the minutes.]
PHILIP S. FOLLETT: A motion to adjourn would be in order
so we can go to lunch. [The motion was made, seconded, and voted.]
HEZEKIEL MAFU: [Benediction.]
PHILIP S. FOLLETT, Chair
HAROLD W. BAPTISTE, Secretary
BILL BOTHE, LARRY R. COLBURN, and FRED G.
THOMAS, Proceedings Editors